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hey this is Bryant Arnold also known as

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dragon from Skinwalker Ranch and you're

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and joining me

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for this breakdown summing up the news

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from the last few weeks at the end of

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August 2022 is Daniel zetterstrom Dan

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full name How Are You full name does

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that mean I'm in trouble not yet

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but yes Dan um lots to talk about to the

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point we've actually got rid of some

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news because over the last couple of

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weeks so much has happened in the world

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of UFOs that some of it's not really

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relevant anymore and even as we planned

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them recording us at the start of the

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week there has been what two breaking

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kind of news stories yeah that are

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worthy of slipping in and talking about

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as well and I think the best place to

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start um at the top and I could have

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picked either are as the the drive

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Warzone article

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um which the title of was video of

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mysterious drone swarm over Navy's most

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advanced Destroyer released and this is

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an instant that occurred off the coast

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of Southern California dated April 2019

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notably one of several severable one of

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of several yes

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notably it was one of several incidents

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that happened then and we heard about

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these happening all the time daily

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weekly you know and so that's that's no

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surprise

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um dated April 2019 has a video and it

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was of a drone that was spotted by a

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Snoopy team and we've heard about those

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Snoopy teams being the teams that go on

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on Deck during incidents and data

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collect basically on something that may

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or may not be happening over over and

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where it shouldn't be basically enemy in

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Persians potentially and apparently

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they're not given tripods by the

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shakiness of the video

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someone's ran outside with a mobile

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phone doesn't it and yeah we're going to

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talk about another mobile phone video in

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a minute but it's got its pros and cons

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um again it's being labeled a drone and

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that but I don't think it's unfair

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because just because we're calling it a

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drone doesn't mean it's still not a UFO

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because I mean drones can be UFOs

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that's yeah kind of goes hand in hand

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doesn't it that we're not saying it's

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not alien or non-human it's just

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something we don't know what it is yeah

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precisely you know we use the word

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drones for things that we send to other

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planets you know there's human made is

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the the phrase that we want to kind of

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watch out for and even then you know if

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something exhibits one of the five

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observables or multiple of them it just

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raises questions about the technology

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that drone is using and even if it is a

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human-made drone what's the origin of

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the Drone you know this goes back to the

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US hearings where they said that a

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similar event happened and therefore it

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must be drones but that's not

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necessarily a well thought out approach

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right because just because it's similar

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you know a light in the sky can be many

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different things it doesn't have to be a

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drone that's just the current kind of

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language that we use to talk about these

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things well in this particular incident

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there were sex uaps documented and this

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was received after a fire request and

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the video was released it was the USS

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what I think so yeah some world

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be in the description anyway have a

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check of that the video was pretty

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interesting in the sense that we get

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quite a clear capture of an object or it

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seems to be one solid object with four

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clear lights yeah and I don't know

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whether it's the camera or not but they

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seem to be different colors as well

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yeah that's right uh you know drones

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will have kind of uh object avoidance

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systems and they tend to have a

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different colored light that are on the

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tips of the the propellers and things

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straightforwardly a drone to be honest

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talking April 2019 and up till now we've

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event Series in 2019 with the honorable

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um and I think and I certainly did uh I

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the same event series and actually you

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know it's not it's almost a a bit of a

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distraction yeah I think it's got to be

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filed under interesting but we can't say

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um people will focus on the lights and

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people who maybe aren't really into the

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UFO subject but have caught on to the

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article you know why are those aliens

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over here shining their lights and stuff

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indicate at this point that it wants to

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be seen but yeah foreign adversarial

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technology for for any country could be

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doing that just by baiting them into

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reaction times and to anti-drawn

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measures precisely yeah we we don't know

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the safe money is on some kind of

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man-made drone could be Russian Chinese

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discussed on here before but I

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personally am quite happy to see videos

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like this come out see serious articles

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on it from the drive and all we can hope

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back of it to say these are the reasons

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why it could be considered as being

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anomalous as such but at the moment I

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think like you've already said that and

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it seems to me that there's nothing to

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suggest otherwise that it's it's not

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this subject you probably get more

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involved in looking at the military side

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of things in the technology they're

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doing don't have and it's quite a cool

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thing to think of that other countries

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other nation's soil or you know in

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international waters and checking each

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other out with these really kind of

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high-tech spy gadgets so I I find that

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as a side quite interesting to be honest

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yeah absolutely and and we're talking

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great cool solved uh but it there are

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on to Ben Hansen and the story that he

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we record this Ben Hansen is a known

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researcher uh on several channels

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including Discovery one of his big ones

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um and very good looking guy as well you

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know fair play that's that's a face for

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TV is that all you came away with

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absolutely dude you know when people are

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very nice and say things like oh and

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years you'll be the face of disclosure

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and it's absolutely not not this face

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um or one of many but a very interesting

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at first circling above him and again

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notably given his background in what

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he's worked in he can has a good idea of

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what he's talking about in terms of how

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to identify objects in different

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conditions and as with this pilot and he

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mentions the pilot of 47 000 feet

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thousand feet above him and circling

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each other they weren't appearing on

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commercial aircraft apparently did see

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these objects but chose not to report

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them over radio uh and I've got a note

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here saying isn't that always the way

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that many commercial pilots just don't

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want the hassle of essentially reporting

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iufo because it's still no doubt

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stigmatized in that area although many

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were here do see them I have family who

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have air traffic control backgrounds and

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they don't but I can see why a serious

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pilot on on several hundred thousand

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pounds and dollars a year working their

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way through the ranks you know just

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wants to get on with their job and would

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rather not end up on Fox news or TMZ or

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or an article like this with their voice

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over the radio and being questioned

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about it because maybe they don't have

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um Dan what are your initial thoughts on

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this and then we can talk a bit more

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about the videos that accompanied as

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well yeah for sure so so initially the

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the other Pilot's not reporting it kind

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of brought to mind Kurt Russell on the

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Phoenix Lights where he experienced them

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but actually he didn't kind of

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acknowledge that until years and years

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later when he saw it on TV and he was

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like oh yeah I was in that plane and

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that's really strange that he kind of

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forgot that uh but it seems that there's

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kind of a cognitive process that happens

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with experiences so the other two pilots

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could have experienced something similar

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um but you know years ago we wouldn't

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have had a report from any of the pilots

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whereas now I think this is a really

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encouraging sign that the uh the stigma

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is less than and Ben didn't need to go

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through the foyer process to get this

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data he just had it available and people

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are willing to talk about it now this is

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the direction we wanted everything to go

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not doesn't really matter the fact is we

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need to be talking about these things so

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that we can solve them

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with this we do get a video accompanying

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it

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unspectacular because

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you can't actually see anything on the

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video done if I'm correct of what the

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pilot is describing what you see in the

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video is um some Stars

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and to the left hand side of the video

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and me being very technically limited

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with this sort of stuff but even I've

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had this conversation with you before

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and I brought it up to you and chatting

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privately it looks like the infrared

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sensors on the camera that are

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reflecting on the the glass rather than

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those flashing lights being an anomalous

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object and so what is actually being

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described isn't being picked up by the

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video it's just an iPhone and Ben Hansen

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himself says that um so I think that'll

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probably hopefully be cleared up in the

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coming days that the actual video itself

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isn't actually any use other than

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confirming location where Ben Hansen

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shows that because of the lights in the

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pattern on the ground we can tell that

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about X distance from this part of

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downtown Los Angeles for example is kind

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of what he says so it the actual video

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though doesn't really help however the

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corroborating data around it including

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the testimony we've got the exact

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location

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um it's it's pretty interesting and it's

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one of those where if we could get the

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quality of video we had from the the

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drive article along with the quality of

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data we had from this incident you'd

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probably have a much more rounded and

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better case and it's just always we

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never quite get that hand in hand do we

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have both no exactly we tend to have

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like radar or video or testimony uh and

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really we want more than that kind of

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single Source uh single Source data for

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the cases what what I really liked about

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this is that when Ben was presenting he

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went through the prosaic stuff you know

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he checked the flights he found the

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flights that would be in the area and

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that gave him a number of leads for the

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investigation but it also whenever

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people send me videos of lights in the

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sky my first question is did you check

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the satellites did you check for planes

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because these things look weird

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sometimes in the sky and we never quite

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know what we're looking at and and

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unless someone's done that I tend you

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know to to just kind of switch off to it

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because you know they're the very basic

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things so I really love that Ben took

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that approach and yeah you're right it's

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unfortunate that the video doesn't

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really show much it's just the infrared

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flood illuminators for the autofocus in

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our phones

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um but hey a lot of people have learned

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about that now and we won't be tricked

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by that again but what I would emphasize

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is that

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folklike you know Mr West he he

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identified that it was the the autofocus

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light and that's fine but you can't

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discount the testimony from multiple

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data sources and and everything that

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said about the event obviously something

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happened it's just not in the video and

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who knows we might get the source video

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and be able to up the exposure on it and

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see something actually in the distance

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but until we get that raw data the you

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know the the video that we have isn't

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much use uh but it does tell us that the

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pilot took it seriously and tried to

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capture the data to report it which is

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yeah better than we used to be right

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yeah and as Ben Hansen presents this and

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and comes across really well and how he

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presents the data and talks about it he

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said he was still getting calls at that

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point he was still talking to Witnesses

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others who are involved and potentially

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trying to get more people to come

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forward who may have seen these or have

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additional data so hopefully in the

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coming days because there's not really

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been many updates since but it has

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literally just been the last 24 48 Hours

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yeah both of these cases dropped online

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so really happy with those but again

375
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it's just like more data would be

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fantastic to either eliminate what these

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may or may not be I think the the First

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with the war zone one more more than

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likely seems to be drones man-made

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drones and it's just a military thing

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but secondly this this Ben Hansen

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incident just given the height those

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drones are at he talks about the types

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of aircraft that would normally operate

385
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at those Heights and that I think what

386
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was really interesting in thinking back

387
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to having watched top gun Maverick

388
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recently fantastic movie if you haven't

389
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seen right people have to go and see it

390
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um even if you don't like the first one

391
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or don't like Tom Cruise can we mix Tom

392
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Cruise uh sorry can we mix Top Gun and

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nope maybe and get a movie something

394
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like that that would be good yeah be

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good right probably Independence Day

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um yeah true yeah yeah

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um but the Ben Hanson incident he talks

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about how the aircraft that would

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operate at an altitude of around 60 000

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feet he names them and he knows them far

401
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better than I would and he says they

402
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normally have turning circles that can

403
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be stepped wide because of the speed set

404
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expected to operate and fly it so the

405
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the way these objects are being

406
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described as moving around each other as

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they fly along he said just aren't

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normal

409
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and he does he does also clear up that

410
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no off-the-shelf drones would be doing

411
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that not to say there aren't military

412
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craft but again why would they be at

413
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that height why would they be where they

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were

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um it wasn't a military exercise it was

416
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just a retired pilot who was out flying

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a civilian aircraft that happened to

418
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catch these so yeah it's an interesting

419
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one and I look forward to seeing kind of

420
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more from that from Ben Hansen hopefully

421
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in the coming days as well yeah and and

422
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there's a good chance that we might hear

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more when the UAP

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the UAP task force the arrow report

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comes out on Halloween uh because Ben

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was given the number of someone in DC he

427
00:14:46,009 --> 00:14:43,800
didn't know he was talking who he was

428
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talking to but I assume it was you know

429
00:14:51,710 --> 00:14:49,500
possibly Dr Sean Kirkpatrick uh head of

430
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Arrow or maybe Moultrie or someone like

431
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that you know so someone with a bit of

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authority to check radar tapes to check

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satellites and really drill down on this

434
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yeah 100 so keep your eyes out on that

435
00:15:02,990 --> 00:15:01,560
one folks and if anything more comes up

436
00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:03,000
we'll we'll see it being reposted

437
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retweeted and everything on social media

438
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but do check out the links in the

439
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description again recently the debrief

440
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was back talking UFOs and really

441
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interesting uh report from Ukraine we're

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an independent study has revealed in

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observations of unidentified aerial

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phenomena and this was our research team

445
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at the main astronomical Observer

446
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Observatory of Ukraine and within a

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study have collected imagery of several

448
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UAP one of those is pictured within the

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article as well itself and I think what

450
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stands out to most people here Dan was

451
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the naming of these as cosmics and

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Phantoms and I've got a little blurb

453
00:15:43,790 --> 00:15:41,639
here just to read on those it was noted

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that cosmics are luminous objects

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brighter than the background of the sky

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the authors write that noting three

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subcategories of cosmic each named after

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various Birds Swift Falcon and Eagle

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whereas Phantoms are dark objects with

460
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contrast from several to about 50

461
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percent

462
00:16:05,329 --> 00:16:02,579
um I want to ask you firstly your your

463
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thoughts on this and are we looking here

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at a natural phenomena being observed

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something man-made or something in

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between something else

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that I mean that's the million dollar

468
00:16:18,889 --> 00:16:16,680
question isn't it or we can start doing

469
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is kind of like project Galileo is doing

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is looking at the sky properly tracking

471
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what's there and seeing if we can find

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something this is the first study to say

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okay we started looking for UAP and

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actually we have found something to the

475
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point that we're able to start

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categorizing these things now

477
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hopefully because they're they're a

478
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meteor tracking networks all over the

479
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world you know in the UK we have them

480
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independently run there's a really

481
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robust one in Australia NASA run one uh

482
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because it's really super important to

483
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see when the meteors are going to fall

484
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if we can pick up UAP with these things

485
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we don't need special equipment we can

486
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just add a little bit of identification

487
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software to the networks that are

488
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already there and then we're not just

489
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looking at you know one set of data from

490
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Ukraine we're looking at worldwide

491
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watching the skies and identifying these

492
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cosmics and Phantoms and who knows what

493
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,360
other things we might find but they they

494
00:17:10,929 --> 00:17:08,880
seem to be a consistent repeatable

495
00:17:14,210 --> 00:17:10,939
transient phenomena

496
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uh they're definable enough that we can

497
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put them into categories and this is

498
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where we start moving from that UAP

499
00:17:25,909 --> 00:17:23,160
Monica to other monikers you know

500
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the more we see them the more we kind of

501
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Define what they are and the

502
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characteristics of them they'll start

503
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becoming a lot less mysterious to us and

504
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and like I said before we can kind of

505
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see then who lives in that information

506
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Gap and who's actually after a

507
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resolution to this mystery but as we go

508
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along we're going to find a lot of

509
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different natural phenomena that we

510
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didn't know existed uh as well as uh

511
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identifying the more intriguing things

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for now I would refrain from saying

513
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whether they're you know UFOs in the

514
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truer sense or whether they're something

515
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just

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natural happening uh it needs more study

517
00:18:01,669 --> 00:18:00,000
but it's certainly intriguing and and we

518
00:18:04,130 --> 00:18:01,679
can certainly take this forward I spent

519
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the week after this dropped emailing a

520
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lot of different uh media tracking

521
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networks across the world because it

522
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would be great to connect them and just

523
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say hey you just got to plug this little

524
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bit into your software and if anything

525
00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:13,559
shows up it'll be defined and yeah

526
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shared with the rest of the scientific

527
00:18:18,409 --> 00:18:17,280
community that that's what we need to do

528
00:18:20,450 --> 00:18:18,419
to move forward

529
00:18:22,610 --> 00:18:20,460
do you think it's a little bit like at

530
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the moment we're categorizing all UFOs

531
00:18:25,970 --> 00:18:24,539
is just that just like UFOs the way

532
00:18:29,090 --> 00:18:25,980
looking at the scene calling everything

533
00:18:30,169 --> 00:18:29,100
in it a fish but then as you get to know

534
00:18:31,130 --> 00:18:30,179
them and realize there's lots of

535
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different types and they've got

536
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different functions and different

537
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:35,340
picking order that oh actually these are

538
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this type and these are this type and

539
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:38,820
we've got this and before you know what

540
00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:41,280
you've got wheels and starfish and you

541
00:18:45,409 --> 00:18:43,679
know tuna and all these other different

542
00:18:46,850 --> 00:18:45,419
varieties that you wouldn't just go it's

543
00:18:49,669 --> 00:18:46,860
just a fish and that's what we're doing

544
00:18:51,169 --> 00:18:49,679
just now with UFOs there's something we

545
00:18:53,690 --> 00:18:51,179
don't know what it is it's unexplained

546
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:53,700
but as we get to know it and that's like

547
00:18:57,529 --> 00:18:55,679
you say is the first step where an

548
00:18:58,850 --> 00:18:57,539
independent Observatory has observed

549
00:19:00,650 --> 00:18:58,860
something and people like to argue

550
00:19:02,630 --> 00:19:00,660
generally that why aren't we seeing all

551
00:19:03,409 --> 00:19:02,640
these UFOs you know we weren't really

552
00:19:06,830 --> 00:19:03,419
looking

553
00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:06,840
because a telescope is pointing at the

554
00:19:11,210 --> 00:19:08,840
sky doesn't mean it's looking for UFOs

555
00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:11,220
and the same with anyone else out there

556
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,720
with a smartphone why aren't all these

557
00:19:15,650 --> 00:19:14,640
people taking pictures of UFOs well most

558
00:19:17,870 --> 00:19:15,660
of them aren't looking because they're

559
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:17,880
looking down on Facebook or Twitter or

560
00:19:22,190 --> 00:19:20,160
Instagram you know get off social media

561
00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:22,200
and have a look up at this guy and maybe

562
00:19:25,850 --> 00:19:23,580
you'll see something else see something

563
00:19:27,470 --> 00:19:25,860
more and and maybe that's the first step

564
00:19:29,450 --> 00:19:27,480
where motor observatories like this go

565
00:19:31,430 --> 00:19:29,460
actually we've had a look and found

566
00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:31,440
something interesting and that's where

567
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,360
they can get more funding and they can

568
00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:35,520
continue the study and they can look

569
00:19:40,190 --> 00:19:37,440
further because without that extra

570
00:19:42,590 --> 00:19:40,200
funding and time and resources they're

571
00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:42,600
not going to be able to expand and get

572
00:19:46,730 --> 00:19:45,360
better data are they no and and that's

573
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,740
the wonderful thing about this you know

574
00:19:49,970 --> 00:19:48,000
there's a paper there that people can

575
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,980
read they can take the work they can try

576
00:19:52,850 --> 00:19:51,600
it out and the fact of the matter is

577
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:52,860
some of these things were moving in

578
00:19:57,230 --> 00:19:55,440
excess for 30 000 miles per hour so

579
00:19:58,610 --> 00:19:57,240
whatever is there you know when we take

580
00:20:00,710 --> 00:19:58,620
a picture with our smartphone it tends

581
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:00,720
to do a long exposure of say three ten

582
00:20:06,350 --> 00:20:03,600
seconds maybe more and then it'll kind

583
00:20:08,510 --> 00:20:06,360
scrub out the things that aren't in

584
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,520
front of it for that entire duration so

585
00:20:12,830 --> 00:20:10,080
if something moves through the frame at

586
00:20:14,630 --> 00:20:12,840
33 000 miles per hour and it's only

587
00:20:16,070 --> 00:20:14,640
there for a split second your phone's

588
00:20:18,890 --> 00:20:16,080
not going to keep that in the picture

589
00:20:20,810 --> 00:20:18,900
it's going to scrub it out so we kind of

590
00:20:22,250 --> 00:20:20,820
need all of these tracking stations to

591
00:20:23,690 --> 00:20:22,260
just open up their aperture a bit on

592
00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:23,700
what they're looking at and to Define

593
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,740
these really fast transient events so

594
00:20:29,630 --> 00:20:27,840
that we can see you know the quote from

595
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,640
the paper is that they saw flights of

596
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,679
single group and squadrons of the ships

597
00:20:35,810 --> 00:20:33,840
squadrons that's really intriguing

598
00:20:37,970 --> 00:20:35,820
squadrons are ships traveling at 30 000

599
00:20:39,529 --> 00:20:37,980
miles per hour uh it's great to see

600
00:20:42,049 --> 00:20:39,539
scientists looking at this and I can

601
00:20:44,090 --> 00:20:42,059
only encourage anyone listening if you

602
00:20:45,470 --> 00:20:44,100
work at a meteor tracking station let's

603
00:20:47,649 --> 00:20:45,480
let's help them out let's get in touch

604
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:47,659
with them and and adapt this worldwide

605
00:20:51,470 --> 00:20:50,159
are there still and I just had to double

606
00:20:52,909 --> 00:20:51,480
check there so anyone watching on

607
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,919
YouTube apologies I looked like I was on

608
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,720
my phone because I was I was trying to

609
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:55,919
remember the back when I interviewed

610
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:59,039
Steve McDaniel from skyhub and I kept

611
00:21:02,029 --> 00:21:00,480
wanting to call it starlink knowing

612
00:21:04,250 --> 00:21:02,039
that's not the right thing

613
00:21:06,289 --> 00:21:04,260
um but skyhub obviously was was a

614
00:21:08,029 --> 00:21:06,299
startup that was those guys investing

615
00:21:09,529 --> 00:21:08,039
their own money in time and they were

616
00:21:11,810 --> 00:21:09,539
putting all that online as something

617
00:21:15,409 --> 00:21:11,820
like skyhub still available for people

618
00:21:17,210 --> 00:21:15,419
to try or yeah I think was it the Vault

619
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:17,220
or Scout was coming from two of the

620
00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:18,960
stars at one point where people were

621
00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:21,120
going to be able to track on mass uaps

622
00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:23,460
what can people do now though on their

623
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:25,320
own time our own money or on budget I

624
00:21:28,909 --> 00:21:26,400
get it's a very difficult time

625
00:21:31,370 --> 00:21:28,919
financially for the world but can folks

626
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,380
still do that and get involved yeah so

627
00:21:35,149 --> 00:21:33,600
skyhub has gone away but a bunch of

628
00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:35,159
people picked her up Richard G Hartford

629
00:21:39,230 --> 00:21:36,600
and a load of other people picked it up

630
00:21:40,909 --> 00:21:39,240
it's now called sky 360. so you can buy

631
00:21:43,490 --> 00:21:40,919
hubs from them that will point at the

632
00:21:45,289 --> 00:21:43,500
sky and track them but these media

633
00:21:47,090 --> 00:21:45,299
networks they they literally have the

634
00:21:48,649 --> 00:21:47,100
kit already set up all you need is a

635
00:21:51,289 --> 00:21:48,659
webcam and pointer at the sky you know

636
00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:51,299
uh so you could at the very least do

637
00:21:55,010 --> 00:21:53,340
that just get it get yourself a decent

638
00:21:56,930 --> 00:21:55,020
webcam pour it in your bedroom window

639
00:21:58,490 --> 00:21:56,940
pointing at the sky all the time and see

640
00:22:00,649 --> 00:21:58,500
what you can see

641
00:22:01,789 --> 00:22:00,659
cool yeah just really interesting one

642
00:22:03,770 --> 00:22:01,799
and like you say we've got a lot of

643
00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:03,780
those resources out there and it doesn't

644
00:22:07,669 --> 00:22:05,700
have to be government but all these

645
00:22:09,169 --> 00:22:07,679
other observatories and Facilities if

646
00:22:11,390 --> 00:22:09,179
they just work together a little bit on

647
00:22:12,710 --> 00:22:11,400
this one topic maybe they could make

648
00:22:14,570 --> 00:22:12,720
some progress and that goes for many

649
00:22:15,950 --> 00:22:14,580
things in medicine and and Cancer

650
00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:15,960
Treatments and all that kind of stuff as

651
00:22:20,450 --> 00:22:17,940
well that a lot of that's just people

652
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:20,460
not working together which is sad

653
00:22:23,149 --> 00:22:22,080
um some quick talking points to go

654
00:22:24,590 --> 00:22:23,159
through Dan because there was a lot of

655
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,600
stuff Legacy we're not going to spend

656
00:22:28,669 --> 00:22:26,400
hours talking about these things but

657
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,679
definitely some noteworthy points for me

658
00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:30,960
um James Fox was on the concrete podcast

659
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:34,140
that's k-o-n-c-r-e-t-e

660
00:22:37,789 --> 00:22:35,760
um Link in the description it was a

661
00:22:39,049 --> 00:22:37,799
three hour long conversation

662
00:22:41,330 --> 00:22:39,059
um really good one a really good

663
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,340
overview of James's early work a lot of

664
00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:42,960
it is covered on his various interviews

665
00:22:46,909 --> 00:22:44,580
he's done in the past but given this as

666
00:22:48,830 --> 00:22:46,919
his most recent and their most relevant

667
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:48,840
it covers some of moment of contact as

668
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:51,840
well I suggest people check that one out

669
00:22:56,450 --> 00:22:54,480
um it talks about the videos that people

670
00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:56,460
have one part I found particularly

671
00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:58,020
interested in was talking about the

672
00:23:01,370 --> 00:22:59,760
videos that people have seen that

673
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,380
haven't been released whether that's

674
00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:03,600
within briefings or congressman and

675
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:04,860
there was nothing new in this because

676
00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:07,140
that's talked about often but I get the

677
00:23:10,250 --> 00:23:09,000
feeling with someone like James Fox he

678
00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:10,260
has a bit of a twinkle in his eye when

679
00:23:14,090 --> 00:23:12,360
he has those discussions and I think

680
00:23:16,250 --> 00:23:14,100
James has seen some of that stuff that

681
00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:16,260
he shouldn't have seen and that's why he

682
00:23:21,169 --> 00:23:18,360
talks about it so passionately

683
00:23:22,909 --> 00:23:21,179
yeah for sure I would agree and even

684
00:23:25,610 --> 00:23:22,919
even at a lower level you know you you

685
00:23:27,409 --> 00:23:25,620
spoke about the Chuck Clark UFO video a

686
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,419
little while back and that sounds

687
00:23:30,529 --> 00:23:29,039
fantastic have you seen that can you

688
00:23:31,789 --> 00:23:30,539
just remain folks what that is just yeah

689
00:23:34,370 --> 00:23:31,799
for sure listen to this might not be

690
00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:34,380
aware so the Chuck Clark video uh is

691
00:23:37,970 --> 00:23:36,780
supposedly a UFO video where a bunch of

692
00:23:40,909 --> 00:23:37,980
people are on a road trip they're inside

693
00:23:42,470 --> 00:23:40,919
the car uh they they see a saucer from

694
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:42,480
uh inside the car and they kind of

695
00:23:46,970 --> 00:23:44,700
shooting pointing outside they try and

696
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,980
hide from it they get really scared then

697
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,840
at one point someone gets out of the car

698
00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:50,640
steps back from it and they're still

699
00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:52,380
filming the scene and you can see this

700
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,600
this saucer kind of it's described as

701
00:23:59,149 --> 00:23:56,640
almost like it's bobbin on the ocean you

702
00:24:02,269 --> 00:23:59,159
know uh just over the car very kind of

703
00:24:04,029 --> 00:24:02,279
magma surface look to it and yeah this

704
00:24:06,049 --> 00:24:04,039
this video is just out there and and

705
00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:06,059
supposedly the guy that has it just

706
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,240
won't let it go for a lot of money uh

707
00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:11,520
hopefully we'll see it one day but it

708
00:24:15,470 --> 00:24:13,740
sounds spectacular and if it's a real

709
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,480
video it would be wonderful to have it

710
00:24:19,549 --> 00:24:17,520
out so people could analyze it but James

711
00:24:20,930 --> 00:24:19,559
has seen stuff like that at so you've

712
00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:20,940
got to wonder why he's saying that he

713
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:23,460
doesn't speak about right 100 yeah so

714
00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:24,720
people should definitely check that one

715
00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:26,880
out and James Fox a moment of contact is

716
00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:29,640
due I think October and he's looking to

717
00:24:32,450 --> 00:24:31,020
to do it our viewers around about then

718
00:24:34,610 --> 00:24:32,460
as well so James will no doubt be back

719
00:24:37,330 --> 00:24:34,620
on the podcast uh around about October

720
00:24:39,890 --> 00:24:37,340
to discuss the moment of contact

721
00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:39,900
make a note that we should ask him what

722
00:24:44,990 --> 00:24:41,820
the the best video that he hasn't spoken

723
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:45,000
about yet is yeah definitely

724
00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:46,080
um

725
00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:47,880
making a mental note as we speak then

726
00:24:51,529 --> 00:24:49,260
but yeah that's a good question any

727
00:24:52,909 --> 00:24:51,539
other questions for James Fox feel free

728
00:24:54,649 --> 00:24:52,919
to send him in now because he will be

729
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,659
coming on the podcast in October I'm

730
00:24:58,190 --> 00:24:56,400
being Coy but he literally texts me as

731
00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:58,200
we're recording this saying October so

732
00:25:01,130 --> 00:24:59,159
yeah

733
00:25:02,930 --> 00:25:01,140
um just by pure chance about a couple of

734
00:25:04,970 --> 00:25:02,940
minutes ago but yeah I'm sending it and

735
00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:04,980
just putting the email James Fox and

736
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:07,080
I'll find it when the time comes

737
00:25:11,149 --> 00:25:09,600
um Senator gillibrand was in the New

738
00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:11,159
York City at some kind of town hall

739
00:25:17,210 --> 00:25:13,380
meeting discussing all kinds of issues

740
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,220
and on Twitter at disclosure with

741
00:25:21,409 --> 00:25:19,679
um appeared in person to ask in

742
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:21,419
refrigerant firstly thanking her for her

743
00:25:26,750 --> 00:25:24,480
efforts with UAP on behalf of everyone

744
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:26,760
um but also asking some questions he

745
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:28,620
said to her on stage you know she

746
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:30,120
mentioned that they had difficulties

747
00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:32,760
getting the resources and files that

748
00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:34,440
they were trying to get which they

749
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:36,600
should have access to still

750
00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:37,860
um but they aren't letting the subject

751
00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:39,779
go down was very much the the call

752
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:42,659
wasn't it yeah absolutely you know just

753
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,120
props to uh to aussied the guy that

754
00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:47,520
spoke to senator he was super

755
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:49,140
professional when he approached her and

756
00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:50,640
I'd recommend everyone watch that video

757
00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:52,440
because you see exactly the approach you

758
00:25:55,669 --> 00:25:53,880
need when you speak to officials you

759
00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:55,679
know he didn't run up and open with his

760
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,200
experience first or his personal pet

761
00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:00,720
theory he just kind of kept it you know

762
00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:02,760
on that on that balance beam and just

763
00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:04,620
engaged in a really really professional

764
00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:07,320
manner so Props to Aussie for that uh

765
00:26:12,110 --> 00:26:09,299
yeah it was interesting hearing her talk

766
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:12,120
about uh you know materials came up that

767
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:13,500
was kind of a vague Point people have

768
00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:15,059
been discussing whether she she

769
00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:16,679
responded that they have materials or

770
00:26:20,330 --> 00:26:17,640
not

771
00:26:22,430 --> 00:26:20,340
um but yeah they emphasized that uh who

772
00:26:24,769 --> 00:26:22,440
I assume was Dr Sean Patrick the head of

773
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,779
Arrow was having issues accessing the

774
00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:26,880
historical stuff and it's great that

775
00:26:31,610 --> 00:26:28,980
she's talking about that because there's

776
00:26:34,370 --> 00:26:31,620
language in the legislation that passed

777
00:26:36,409 --> 00:26:34,380
last year that anyone who's not playing

778
00:26:38,510 --> 00:26:36,419
ball gets named and shamed in these

779
00:26:40,190 --> 00:26:38,520
reports that are coming out and they are

780
00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:40,200
full reports a year and several

781
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:42,120
briefings as well we only see one public

782
00:26:46,130 --> 00:26:43,559
report here so I'm not sure if they'll

783
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:46,140
be named and shamed in our report but at

784
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:47,460
the very least

785
00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:50,400
her talking openly about this means that

786
00:26:53,090 --> 00:26:51,900
we're going to be able to start pointing

787
00:26:54,769 --> 00:26:53,100
fingers soon at the people who aren't

788
00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:54,779
playing ball and allowing us to progress

789
00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:56,340
with this issue so I I was really

790
00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:57,720
encouraged by the way that she spoke

791
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,360
about that yeah some more good reporting

792
00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:02,400
came from Chris shop at Liberation times

793
00:27:05,570 --> 00:27:03,960
so you'll be very familiar with Chris

794
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,580
sharp if not check him out online or

795
00:27:10,190 --> 00:27:07,679
Liberation times site

796
00:27:12,169 --> 00:27:10,200
um an article on Louis zondo and Chris

797
00:27:14,570 --> 00:27:12,179
shark got confirmation from Susan Goff

798
00:27:17,090 --> 00:27:14,580
that Louis zondo was working with the

799
00:27:18,889 --> 00:27:17,100
space force and I think some people knew

800
00:27:20,990 --> 00:27:18,899
this or assumed this already that Lou

801
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,000
had some kind of involvement

802
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:23,039
um but what it did cause was a bit of

803
00:27:26,930 --> 00:27:25,380
debate as to how low could be doing this

804
00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:26,940
when the Pentagon have pushed back so

805
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,100
often on his involvement in other roles

806
00:27:33,049 --> 00:27:30,960
for me it doesn't really clear anything

807
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:33,059
up or change anything as to to whether

808
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,799
load did or didn't work where he said he

809
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,720
did with their tip I can see why it's

810
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:38,399
caused debate on both sides of the fence

811
00:27:42,889 --> 00:27:40,679
but Dan what what are your thoughts on

812
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,899
this one that Louis zondo is working

813
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,360
with space force into does it change

814
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,240
anything for you in terms of clearing up

815
00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:50,880
what his previous roles were

816
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:55,020
it almost does for me it it poses the

817
00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:57,240
questions to the the Skeptics or the the

818
00:28:00,649 --> 00:27:58,980
super Skeptics the cynical Skeptics will

819
00:28:02,090 --> 00:28:00,659
say the debunkers

820
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,100
um like you say it's been rumored for a

821
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:03,840
while that he works at space force Susan

822
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,580
Goff said that he works at space force

823
00:28:09,409 --> 00:28:07,200
on classified projects you could almost

824
00:28:10,730 --> 00:28:09,419
hear the pain that she took when she she

825
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:10,740
said that

826
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:11,700
um

827
00:28:15,649 --> 00:28:13,919
but it begs the question how would Lou

828
00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:15,659
have access to these classified programs

829
00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:17,340
how would he be keeping his clearance if

830
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:18,840
he'd been lying about everything that

831
00:28:24,769 --> 00:28:21,360
he'd been speaking about so

832
00:28:27,049 --> 00:28:24,779
it certainly makes uh uh or it shows up

833
00:28:29,690 --> 00:28:27,059
his side of the story

834
00:28:31,490 --> 00:28:29,700
but questions remain in terms of you

835
00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:31,500
know whether atit was an official

836
00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:33,960
program so on so forth uh but yeah you

837
00:28:37,370 --> 00:28:35,700
know bottom line is they probably

838
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:37,380
wouldn't be employing him to work on

839
00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:38,880
classified projects if he'd have been

840
00:28:43,730 --> 00:28:41,340
lying about his work in the past

841
00:28:46,370 --> 00:28:43,740
yeah and that that was the big one for

842
00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:46,380
me that it doesn't necessarily show that

843
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:48,360
they're happy now that he did work there

844
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:50,700
but I think for some of us I've made no

845
00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:52,380
secret I have no reason to believe that

846
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,120
he didn't work there you know Senator

847
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:55,919
Harry Reid confirmed he was a sponsor of

848
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:57,840
the program and we've gone into this

849
00:29:00,769 --> 00:28:59,340
before about the semantics of the

850
00:29:02,570 --> 00:29:00,779
wording in the language and it can be

851
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:02,580
used to play both sides and for me it

852
00:29:06,289 --> 00:29:04,200
just kind of starts to get a little bit

853
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:06,299
dull but I get why it can be really

854
00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:08,460
really obvious or painful for people to

855
00:29:12,350 --> 00:29:10,620
not have that all cleared up

856
00:29:14,269 --> 00:29:12,360
um but yeah it's an interesting one and

857
00:29:15,710 --> 00:29:14,279
it's very much it's not like me going

858
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:15,720
along and applying for a role at space

859
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:17,039
force and making up what I've done

860
00:29:20,930 --> 00:29:18,720
beforehand and getting the job I very

861
00:29:22,909 --> 00:29:20,940
much doubt that's what's happened to you

862
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:22,919
um but yeah it clearly shows us a

863
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:25,860
request a requirement for for his

864
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,799
knowledge and his his expertise as such

865
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:30,960
and yeah I look forward to seeing what

866
00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:32,159
kind of comes from that and I can't see

867
00:29:35,450 --> 00:29:33,659
it being a bad thing that that Lou is

868
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:35,460
working for space force

869
00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:37,440
um it

870
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:39,299
kind of receives your family he's got a

871
00:29:42,409 --> 00:29:40,919
family he needs to work he needs to pay

872
00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:42,419
bills and has a home and everything else

873
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:46,140
so fair enough yeah yeah 100 it suggests

874
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:47,640
that space force are possibly doing work

875
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:49,919
on UAP as well uh and they'd be very

876
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,200
well suited to do that they you know the

877
00:29:56,029 --> 00:29:53,760
the future kind of

878
00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:56,039
holders of the the domain that we refer

879
00:30:00,169 --> 00:29:58,860
to as space so yeah how far that comes

880
00:30:01,789 --> 00:30:00,179
to the Earth's surface and things like

881
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:01,799
that it is Up For Debate but certainly

882
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:04,020
NASA kind of in a recent

883
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:06,240
kind of town hall conference said that

884
00:30:09,409 --> 00:30:07,919
they're they're starting to fund

885
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:09,419
projects that are a little bit closer to

886
00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:10,799
the surface of the Earth now which is

887
00:30:13,909 --> 00:30:11,880
great because they're going to be

888
00:30:16,750 --> 00:30:13,919
looking for uap2

889
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,760
under the surface of the Earth

890
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:18,960
that's for another another day another

891
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,159
show

892
00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:22,080
um staying with the UK theme quickly

893
00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:24,360
before we move on to to back to the US

894
00:30:29,930 --> 00:30:27,899
and the Guardian newspaper printed an

895
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:29,940
article on UK Freedom of Information

896
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,640
files corruption done there was a little

897
00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:34,559
bit on this wasn't there and famously as

898
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:35,880
you mentioned to me before we started

899
00:30:40,070 --> 00:30:38,880
recording in the UK one we tend to be

900
00:30:42,049 --> 00:30:40,080
much better keeping these kind of

901
00:30:44,810 --> 00:30:42,059
Secrets or involvement in in the UFO

902
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:44,820
topic especially but also we're very

903
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:46,440
famous for having politicians leaving

904
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,159
top secret papers on trains and buses

905
00:30:54,529 --> 00:30:52,320
um and those get those being kind of

906
00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:54,539
found by members of the public so ah it

907
00:30:57,950 --> 00:30:55,799
goes hand in hand but what was the

908
00:30:59,930 --> 00:30:57,960
article from the guardian all about yeah

909
00:31:03,350 --> 00:30:59,940
so so basically the the cabinet office

910
00:31:04,850 --> 00:31:03,360
Clearinghouse which circulates uh kind

911
00:31:06,830 --> 00:31:04,860
of details of Freedom of Information

912
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:06,840
requests by journalists campaigners and

913
00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:08,700
others around Whitehall uh they also

914
00:31:13,370 --> 00:31:11,100
advise on how to respond to them that

915
00:31:15,110 --> 00:31:13,380
office or that Clearinghouse is about to

916
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:15,120
be replaced by by Freedom of Information

917
00:31:18,049 --> 00:31:17,700
Center of Excellence they call it

918
00:31:19,009 --> 00:31:18,059
[Music]

919
00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:19,019
um

920
00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:20,760
it said that the Clearinghouse should

921
00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:22,679
provide guidance and advice for uncommon

922
00:31:27,889 --> 00:31:24,419
complex and National Security related

923
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:27,899
foi cases only which for me flags up the

924
00:31:31,789 --> 00:31:29,519
UAP issue because we're talking National

925
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:31,799
Security

926
00:31:36,649 --> 00:31:35,159
a number of the old office was taken to

927
00:31:39,409 --> 00:31:36,659
court a number of times over the past

928
00:31:42,350 --> 00:31:39,419
few years there was a scandal where open

929
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,360
democracies sued the government for

930
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:44,159
it was to do with the NHS and

931
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:47,100
contaminated blood and they the office

932
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:48,720
basically said that the release needs to

933
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,840
be managed whereas foi and it's the same

934
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:53,640
in America you know the the Freedom of

935
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:55,440
Information Act

936
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,419
they're meant to be independent bodies

937
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:59,279
they're not meant to be talking and

938
00:32:03,169 --> 00:32:01,799
negotiating how to release things uh

939
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:03,179
they're meant to just release the data

940
00:32:06,169 --> 00:32:04,380
and that's it

941
00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:06,179
so hopefully we're going to get closer

942
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:08,700
to the US model where the data's

943
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:10,740
actually released and it isn't judged

944
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:13,440
beforehand uh the US actually as well is

945
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:15,720
kind of having a review especially of

946
00:32:20,269 --> 00:32:17,820
the the UAP stuff they're trying to get

947
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:20,279
a independent body to be the

948
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:22,799
declassification arm as opposed to a

949
00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:25,140
body within the government doing that so

950
00:32:28,730 --> 00:32:26,820
yeah hopefully both of those things

951
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,740
happen at the same time mean something

952
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,200
for the UAP subject and we just start

953
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:33,120
hearing more I know a number of us from

954
00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:35,460
UAP media UK have put in Freedom of

955
00:32:39,769 --> 00:32:37,620
Information requests about the Calvin

956
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:39,779
image we've had various different

957
00:32:43,549 --> 00:32:41,940
responses to those from local MPS but so

958
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,559
far the mod and the National Archives

959
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:46,080
are just not saying anything so if we

960
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,539
could have a you know the freedom

961
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:50,880
information center of excellence then

962
00:32:55,009 --> 00:32:53,460
hopefully we would get a better response

963
00:32:56,090 --> 00:32:55,019
and a more timely response on these

964
00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:56,100
matters

965
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:57,779
I'm always wary of things just being

966
00:33:01,850 --> 00:33:00,240
repackaged as you know oh it's a center

967
00:33:03,529 --> 00:33:01,860
of excellence now and it's like for any

968
00:33:05,330 --> 00:33:03,539
Alan Partridge fans out there I know

969
00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:05,340
there's a few you know it's the skoda

970
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:07,080
they've re badged it you're full and

971
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:08,820
it's the same the same vehicle under a

972
00:33:12,769 --> 00:33:10,740
different name so we'll see but that you

973
00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:12,779
know if it's an opportunity at least for

974
00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:14,519
for progress or change we have to take

975
00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:16,500
that don't me especially in the UK

976
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,059
remember so far behind any kind of

977
00:33:21,889 --> 00:33:20,159
political transparency which which some

978
00:33:23,930 --> 00:33:21,899
people especially in the states maybe

979
00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:23,940
don't appreciate how much they get in

980
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:26,340
terms of transparency already just with

981
00:33:31,549 --> 00:33:28,440
people like Warner Rubio gillibrand and

982
00:33:33,529 --> 00:33:31,559
Co talking about the subject let alone

983
00:33:35,389 --> 00:33:33,539
you know what we have in the UK where we

984
00:33:36,769 --> 00:33:35,399
hear there are some politicians but they

985
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:36,779
keep it very much privately to

986
00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:38,519
themselves who are interested in the UFO

987
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,260
subject

988
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,200
um Dan uh Jim Zimmerman was on calling

989
00:33:47,149 --> 00:33:45,120
all beings podcast it got rave reviews

990
00:33:50,330 --> 00:33:47,159
people were very impressed uh John

991
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,340
Ramirez former CIA turned up as a guest

992
00:33:54,590 --> 00:33:53,279
co-host on there as well and yeah I

993
00:33:55,610 --> 00:33:54,600
suggest people go and check that one out

994
00:33:56,690 --> 00:33:55,620
I'm not going to sit and run through

995
00:33:58,669 --> 00:33:56,700
someone else's show and everything

996
00:34:00,529 --> 00:33:58,679
they've done on it but um well done to

997
00:34:02,450 --> 00:34:00,539
DJ and Co and what was apparently very

998
00:34:04,909 --> 00:34:02,460
very well done interview

999
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:04,919
um Jim semivan is on

1000
00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:07,799
this podcast I had I forgot there this

1001
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:10,500
podcast and about three or four weeks so

1002
00:34:13,790 --> 00:34:12,300
we'll call out for questions on that if

1003
00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:13,800
you have been sent over already but feel

1004
00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:16,200
free to send them over now and he seems

1005
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,639
to be opening up a little bit more to

1006
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:19,440
doing some interviews which is great and

1007
00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:20,820
it would be nice if his colleague Tom

1008
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:22,919
Delong would would do similar for the

1009
00:34:26,569 --> 00:34:25,320
UFO subject that he has been so Keen in

1010
00:34:28,490 --> 00:34:26,579
getting involved in now for so many

1011
00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:28,500
years uh it would be good to hear them

1012
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:31,619
or not a UFO platform discussing the UFO

1013
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:34,079
issue at length again as he's not really

1014
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:35,520
done that for quite a while properly

1015
00:34:39,230 --> 00:34:37,320
just on UFOs

1016
00:34:40,490 --> 00:34:39,240
um yeah but yeah fingers fingers crossed

1017
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:40,500
that time is going to get a bit more

1018
00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:41,940
conversational when Monsters of

1019
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:44,040
California comes out uh because you know

1020
00:34:48,909 --> 00:34:46,859
we we the UFO Community is very much an

1021
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:48,919
active audience for that so I mean

1022
00:34:54,169 --> 00:34:52,379
audience yeah it's a big part of the

1023
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:54,179
audience for that so and let's be fair

1024
00:34:58,510 --> 00:34:55,379
we're going to go and see it anyway

1025
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:58,520
we're not holding Tom the long hostage

1026
00:35:02,270 --> 00:35:00,720
I imagine it's going to be video on

1027
00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:02,280
demand I just got a sneaky feeling of

1028
00:35:06,109 --> 00:35:04,020
special here in the UK

1029
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,119
um it'll get maybe a limited release in

1030
00:35:09,950 --> 00:35:08,640
some theaters but most likely video on

1031
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:09,960
demand the way it's sounding at the

1032
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,400
minute but hopefully I'd love to see it

1033
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:13,440
in the cinema I'll add nope the

1034
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:15,000
something to touch on from that

1035
00:35:18,349 --> 00:35:16,859
interview and it's uh you know if you've

1036
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:18,359
watched any interviews with uh James

1037
00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:20,520
iron doley on his channel when semivan

1038
00:35:23,630 --> 00:35:21,660
was on there and the same with Peter

1039
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,640
lavender as well they they speak a lot

1040
00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:25,440
about gin and I just wanted to touch on

1041
00:35:30,010 --> 00:35:27,420
that idea because it keeps coming up and

1042
00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:30,020
it's something that I'm intrigued by but

1043
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,280
uh so you can spell in a number of

1044
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:34,079
different ways uh I tend to go for the

1045
00:35:40,790 --> 00:35:38,160
DJ i n n uh also j-i-m-n Genie basically

1046
00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:40,800
that's but not g-y-g-i-n which is what

1047
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,420
some people might not yeah not not the

1048
00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:44,400
alcoholic drink yeah

1049
00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:47,460
but basically these these entities are

1050
00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:50,820
said to be uh were created when God made

1051
00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:54,839
angels and man uh he also made gin uh he

1052
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,380
he she um they may also made gin and

1053
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,000
referred to as made from a smokeless

1054
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:02,640
fire it's very similar to say in humans

1055
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,740
but just humans without a body think of

1056
00:36:08,930 --> 00:36:06,720
it that way you can and also can I just

1057
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,940
go back one you say like God created you

1058
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:10,079
just

1059
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:12,359
our creator because they create that

1060
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:14,820
label of God off all together it could

1061
00:36:18,349 --> 00:36:16,500
have been something else altogether yeah

1062
00:36:19,849 --> 00:36:18,359
for sure when when I say God I generally

1063
00:36:21,710 --> 00:36:19,859
mean the the

1064
00:36:23,329 --> 00:36:21,720
creative process of the universe

1065
00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:23,339
whatever that is evolution you know

1066
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:25,740
whatever made the stars that

1067
00:36:31,010 --> 00:36:28,200
um so yeah we're talking the essence of

1068
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:31,020
a person but without being in a body uh

1069
00:36:35,569 --> 00:36:34,140
Jin is the plural word Genie or Genie is

1070
00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:35,579
the singular that's where we get our

1071
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,980
word from Genie uh but mostly come from

1072
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:40,079
Islamic and Arabic folklore

1073
00:36:43,250 --> 00:36:41,760
um Angels were made from light humans

1074
00:36:45,170 --> 00:36:43,260
were made from clay gin were made from

1075
00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:45,180
the smokeless fire once they were

1076
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:46,500
thought to be gods that would have

1077
00:36:50,270 --> 00:36:47,940
thrown uh which I thought was

1078
00:36:52,250 --> 00:36:50,280
interesting because it kind of touches

1079
00:36:54,650 --> 00:36:52,260
on you know Tom de long talks about the

1080
00:36:55,849 --> 00:36:54,660
old gods often and so so this kind of

1081
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,859
plugs in there

1082
00:36:59,690 --> 00:36:57,599
um we're talking invisible Spirits they

1083
00:37:01,790 --> 00:36:59,700
can take on different forms like animals

1084
00:37:03,589 --> 00:37:01,800
humans they can possess but they're not

1085
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:03,599
demons as we talk about in the Bible

1086
00:37:08,210 --> 00:37:06,180
they're neither good nor bad so when we

1087
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:08,220
talk about malevolent and benevolent

1088
00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:10,320
beings uh they they have a range like

1089
00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:11,820
human beings have you know you can get

1090
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:13,260
some people that are very murderous some

1091
00:37:18,109 --> 00:37:14,640
people who are very kind and helpful

1092
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:18,119
similar thing here uh pre-islamic poets

1093
00:37:21,589 --> 00:37:19,619
were said to be influenced by Jinn to

1094
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,599
write their it works which again super

1095
00:37:25,609 --> 00:37:23,520
interesting that's creativity intuition

1096
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:25,619
and being told by a phenomena what to

1097
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:27,960
write that's basically a download right

1098
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:30,060
that's what we talk about it as the UFO

1099
00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:31,680
circles

1100
00:37:35,630 --> 00:37:32,820
um

1101
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:35,640
there was a character called eblis who

1102
00:37:41,290 --> 00:37:38,040
was kind of seen as the Islamic version

1103
00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:41,300
of Satan he he was the the creator of us

1104
00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:43,560
and there are some different forms as

1105
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:45,000
well you get a jam which is a general

1106
00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:47,160
term for the Majin which describes kind

1107
00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:49,500
of specific tribes or families then you

1108
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:52,920
get a shaytan which is a very evil kind

1109
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,560
of version of a gin uh more like demons

1110
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,119
that we think of

1111
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:59,040
then we have something called the Ifrit

1112
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:01,500
which is a lot more powerful and morally

1113
00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:04,260
ambivalent uh this creature spends time

1114
00:38:09,170 --> 00:38:06,599
in Ruins and can shapeshift so kind of

1115
00:38:11,329 --> 00:38:09,180
very skinwalkery and we also have a

1116
00:38:13,609 --> 00:38:11,339
married married is the most powerful and

1117
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:13,619
mostly evil uh that's the one we're

1118
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:15,720
familiar with generally in in Western

1119
00:38:21,410 --> 00:38:18,540
kind of folklore the original version of

1120
00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:21,420
Aladdin had tujin uh one was an if

1121
00:38:25,069 --> 00:38:22,740
threesome one was a married the married

1122
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:25,079
was in the lamp and it's kind of the

1123
00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:26,400
version of the genie that always takes

1124
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:28,500
the wish and twists it you know someone

1125
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,760
wishes for world peace they make

1126
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:31,200
everyone on Earth disappear instead of

1127
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,520
making them peaceful that kind of

1128
00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:34,079
Twisted

1129
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:35,940
um so yeah they they said to originate

1130
00:38:41,329 --> 00:38:38,760
uh Mount uh CAF uh which is a mountain

1131
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:41,339
that stands at the edge of the world uh

1132
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:43,380
there's a specific famous gin as well

1133
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:44,460
there are a number of them but this one

1134
00:38:49,970 --> 00:38:47,040
stood out for me the uh Aisha kandicha

1135
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:49,980
uh this is meant to be a beautiful woman

1136
00:38:54,650 --> 00:38:52,320
with black hair and she has the feet of

1137
00:38:57,410 --> 00:38:54,660
the camel now I've never heard about the

1138
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:57,420
Marine apparitions having camel feet but

1139
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,820
it sounds very similar in terms of the

1140
00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:01,680
law so it could just be another name uh

1141
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,760
you know Chris bledso talks about

1142
00:39:07,069 --> 00:39:04,800
meeting the lady all the time we could

1143
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,079
be talking about Aisha uh there's no

1144
00:39:11,569 --> 00:39:09,599
reason why we couldn't be they tend to

1145
00:39:14,329 --> 00:39:11,579
be exercised or gotten rid of through

1146
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:14,339
music which is just resonance right

1147
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:16,740
we're talking about that again there are

1148
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:17,880
so many threads here that just come

1149
00:39:21,230 --> 00:39:19,440
straight back to us

1150
00:39:23,870 --> 00:39:21,240
um if people want to kind of read more

1151
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:23,880
about jyn most of our ideas about them

1152
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:26,880
come from Arabian nights or 1001 Nights

1153
00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:29,640
so kind of have a read of that but there

1154
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:30,900
was another interesting aspect that

1155
00:39:34,670 --> 00:39:32,700
jinns actually have religion so you can

1156
00:39:37,069 --> 00:39:34,680
get Catholic gen Islamic gin and they

1157
00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:37,079
can switch religions so very similar to

1158
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:37,859
us

1159
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:39,839
Islamic scholars tend to take them as

1160
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,240
metaphors overtake them as actual

1161
00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:45,359
creatures but they generally used to

1162
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,220
describe the word genes used to describe

1163
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:49,200
any phenomena that's not detectable by

1164
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:50,940
our senses

1165
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:52,740
um and more esoteric interpretations

1166
00:39:56,810 --> 00:39:55,260
include seeing them as a as a kind of

1167
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,820
human being as I've described them kind

1168
00:40:00,530 --> 00:39:58,560
of in this little rundown they're just

1169
00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:00,540
us without bodies think of them that way

1170
00:40:05,089 --> 00:40:03,060
and the phenomenon could be that if

1171
00:40:06,589 --> 00:40:05,099
anyone's watched Ms Marvel recently gin

1172
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,599
plug in there so that's kind of a little

1173
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:09,119
you know uh a crash course in Gin as

1174
00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:10,140
well

1175
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,260
uh but yeah there's the real untold

1176
00:40:16,490 --> 00:40:15,119
story is there's a non-human

1177
00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:16,500
intelligence living with humans on

1178
00:40:20,329 --> 00:40:18,599
planet Earth and gin kind of fit a lot

1179
00:40:22,490 --> 00:40:20,339
of the descriptors for me you know it's

1180
00:40:24,349 --> 00:40:22,500
it's interesting that it's come up a lot

1181
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:24,359
through interviews and that it's on the

1182
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:25,619
minds of people like Sammy van and

1183
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,660
lavender uh for me that makes it worth

1184
00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:29,760
reading about so yeah hopefully that's

1185
00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:31,560
given people uh a little bit more

1186
00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:33,480
background on the idea of gin and they

1187
00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:34,980
can go and kind of learn a little bit

1188
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:37,020
more now and follow us on with a Bigelow

1189
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:38,400
statement about they're already here you

1190
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:40,319
know they're under our noses and yeah so

1191
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:42,000
again folks go check that one out

1192
00:40:45,530 --> 00:40:43,440
calling all beings link will be in the

1193
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,540
description and make sure you give DJ

1194
00:40:48,589 --> 00:40:47,280
and core like and a subscriber as well

1195
00:40:50,750 --> 00:40:48,599
because they do a really good honest

1196
00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:50,760
work over there too and another Channel

1197
00:40:54,410 --> 00:40:52,500
which has kind of risen to prominence

1198
00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:54,420
quickly but with two huge names Bryce

1199
00:40:58,609 --> 00:40:56,520
Sable and Ross Kool talk had their

1200
00:41:01,550 --> 00:40:58,619
documentary recently which had a lot of

1201
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:01,560
kind of bits fear type chat on it and we

1202
00:41:05,390 --> 00:41:02,760
talked about it on the breakdown with

1203
00:41:07,609 --> 00:41:05,400
Nathan what actually seems to have had a

1204
00:41:09,770 --> 00:41:07,619
far more positive overwhelmingly

1205
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:09,780
positive reaction was their follow-up to

1206
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:12,060
it than and where Bryce and Ross have

1207
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:14,220
basically given some context and

1208
00:41:18,730 --> 00:41:16,319
background to the piece and maybe

1209
00:41:21,050 --> 00:41:18,740
address some of the more dramatized

1210
00:41:22,670 --> 00:41:21,060
sections and some of the parts where

1211
00:41:24,770 --> 00:41:22,680
people were left a little bit wanting

1212
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,780
and it's given a lot more clarity and

1213
00:41:28,970 --> 00:41:26,400
it's more well-rounded isn't it as to

1214
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,980
why that final production came out the

1215
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:30,720
way it did and it's a not just an

1216
00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:32,460
accompanying piece but I think it's one

1217
00:41:35,150 --> 00:41:33,900
that people probably have to go and look

1218
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:35,160
at now

1219
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:36,720
um and it's it's probably better than

1220
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:38,280
what actually was produced on the seven

1221
00:41:42,770 --> 00:41:40,619
years yeah I would definitely agree with

1222
00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:42,780
that Ross kind of characterized the

1223
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,339
seven years piece as the one for them

1224
00:41:47,809 --> 00:41:45,599
and the one that they've just put online

1225
00:41:49,609 --> 00:41:47,819
is one for us their full interview with

1226
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:49,619
Gary Nolan is up as well and yeah I'd

1227
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:50,940
say that these are required viewing

1228
00:41:54,530 --> 00:41:52,260
there's more rust there's more Bryce

1229
00:41:56,690 --> 00:41:54,540
present less Fanfare about them being

1230
00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:56,700
released but a lot more in line with

1231
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:58,920
what I expected from them you know they

1232
00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:00,900
always produce quality things and the

1233
00:42:05,569 --> 00:42:02,520
sphere thing was a little strange for me

1234
00:42:08,030 --> 00:42:05,579
but get those two pieces were excellent

1235
00:42:09,770 --> 00:42:08,040
and they'll be linked down below so give

1236
00:42:11,690 --> 00:42:09,780
them a watch and yeah I think people

1237
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:11,700
will really really enjoy them

1238
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:13,560
excellent and just to finish off with an

1239
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:16,260
update then on NASA scrubbing its latest

1240
00:42:20,990 --> 00:42:18,660
launch the Artemis shuttle was due to go

1241
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,000
wasn't it yeah that's right they so that

1242
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:23,280
was due to launch on the 29th of August

1243
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,420
but it was scrubbed it's going to be

1244
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:26,640
September 2nd now I think

1245
00:42:30,650 --> 00:42:29,220
um and then I guess the I got it noted

1246
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:30,660
that it Returns on the 10th of October

1247
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,160
but that'll be delayed by a few days as

1248
00:42:36,109 --> 00:42:34,319
well because it's uh gonna be taken off

1249
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,119
late but basically this is Humanity

1250
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:38,160
returning to the moon this isn't a

1251
00:42:41,569 --> 00:42:39,720
manned mission but there are some

1252
00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:41,579
dummies inside the craft that have

1253
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:43,619
radiation sensors on them one protected

1254
00:42:47,089 --> 00:42:45,839
one not so they can kind of compare

1255
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,099
um and that always surprises me actually

1256
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:48,720
that the dummies are named Helga and

1257
00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:52,319
Zohar but the idea that

1258
00:42:56,329 --> 00:42:54,900
there's so little known about humans in

1259
00:42:58,670 --> 00:42:56,339
space that we do things like track

1260
00:43:00,589 --> 00:42:58,680
radiation on Dummies uh you know it's

1261
00:43:02,270 --> 00:43:00,599
not a comfortable environment for us to

1262
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:02,280
be in at all it's almost like it's just

1263
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,839
trying to kill people when they go in

1264
00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:06,000
there so we need our diving suits to go

1265
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:07,079
upwards

1266
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:10,319
um but yeah the the Artemis one launch

1267
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,240
it was scrubbed unfortunately and it'll

1268
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:14,160
be going ahead uh it's the most powerful

1269
00:43:17,450 --> 00:43:16,140
rocket NASA I've ever launched it's

1270
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:17,460
going to be going half a million miles

1271
00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:19,140
to the moon and back

1272
00:43:23,210 --> 00:43:21,000
it'll be test in every single system

1273
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:23,220
that will be present on the actual crude

1274
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:26,760
Mission and the idea is that it will fly

1275
00:43:31,790 --> 00:43:28,560
to the moon do an orbit around the moon

1276
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:31,800
in terms of a a spacecraft made for

1277
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:34,560
manned uh presence it will be going the

1278
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,380
furthest into space anything ever has uh

1279
00:43:41,390 --> 00:43:39,839
and once that's in place we will use it

1280
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:41,400
as kind of a docking station to the Moon

1281
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:43,079
we'll drop down to the surface from that

1282
00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:45,660
that will stay in orbit so if all goes

1283
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:47,640
well this is our first step into the

1284
00:43:51,770 --> 00:43:49,380
cosmos and will eventually be our first

1285
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:51,780
step to go into Mars as well the other

1286
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:54,480
thing that they have on it is uh 10

1287
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,760
small they're called kind of or they

1288
00:44:00,170 --> 00:43:58,319
used to be called cubesats now they're

1289
00:44:01,309 --> 00:44:00,180
calling them um small sets because

1290
00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:01,319
they're not cubed anymore they're

1291
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:04,020
shoebox size and these are little kind

1292
00:44:07,609 --> 00:44:06,180
of uh platforms that have their own

1293
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:07,619
propulsion and they're going to nip off

1294
00:44:11,990 --> 00:44:10,020
into space to do their own work and it

1295
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:12,000
tickles me a little bit to think of you

1296
00:44:15,650 --> 00:44:13,380
know if you were on the surface of the

1297
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:15,660
Moon looking at Planet Earth you'd see

1298
00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:17,460
you know the bright spark as the

1299
00:44:20,809 --> 00:44:19,079
spacecraft takes off from Earth you'd

1300
00:44:22,430 --> 00:44:20,819
follow it and eventually it come and

1301
00:44:24,410 --> 00:44:22,440
then as it got near to the Moon it'd

1302
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:24,420
spit out these 10 little Cube sets that

1303
00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:25,980
will kind of nip off and go do their own

1304
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:28,440
thing and it just makes me think of some

1305
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,420
UAP sightings where you know we'll see

1306
00:44:34,370 --> 00:44:31,920
these orbs kind of split off from them

1307
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:34,380
and go do things uh so yeah there's this

1308
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:36,900
it kind of for me kind of suggests that

1309
00:44:40,849 --> 00:44:38,460
maybe we're seeing probes of some kind

1310
00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:40,859
but they're going to be using one of

1311
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:44,819
these to look at uh midwave infrared

1312
00:44:49,309 --> 00:44:47,640
pictures of the Moon surface so just

1313
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,319
like the James Webb Telescope using

1314
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:50,880
infrared to look into the universe shows

1315
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:52,140
us a whole bunch of things that we

1316
00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:53,640
weren't aware of or couldn't see before

1317
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:55,560
so there's every chance that we'll see

1318
00:44:59,569 --> 00:44:58,319
some features of the Moon uh the world

1319
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,579
leader system very intriguing

1320
00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:02,160
discoveries one of the phenomenon that

1321
00:45:06,770 --> 00:45:03,900
hopefully gets explained is called a

1322
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:06,780
transient kind of uh light I want to say

1323
00:45:10,430 --> 00:45:09,060
phenomena where there are just flashes

1324
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:10,440
of light on the moon sometimes and no

1325
00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:11,940
one really knows why

1326
00:45:15,470 --> 00:45:14,220
know they're not alien cities up there

1327
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,480
or anything like that they just kind of

1328
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:17,280
happen so hopefully we get a little bit

1329
00:45:20,809 --> 00:45:18,720
more information about them because they

1330
00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:20,819
might be relevant to the the subject

1331
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:23,220
we're interested in

1332
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:25,920
um but yeah it's it's the start of a new

1333
00:45:30,410 --> 00:45:28,440
New Era of space flight for us you know

1334
00:45:31,849 --> 00:45:30,420
all the great explorers find new worlds

1335
00:45:33,770 --> 00:45:31,859
but they have to come home to tell us

1336
00:45:36,170 --> 00:45:33,780
about them as well so we're checking the

1337
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:36,180
systems and yeah hopefully hopefully

1338
00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:39,540
that launch goes okay in other astronomy

1339
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,880
news as well we had James Webb uh

1340
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:43,680
announcement where astronomers have

1341
00:45:48,589 --> 00:45:45,540
identified the first planet to have

1342
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:48,599
carbon dioxide on it this is a gas giant

1343
00:45:50,990 --> 00:45:49,619
so it's not like there are going to be

1344
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:51,000
people living on the surface and stuff

1345
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:54,060
like that but it is notable for being

1346
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:56,040
the first planet we found carbon dioxide

1347
00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:58,200
on outside of our solar system it

1348
00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:59,880
detected the gas on uh the planets

1349
00:46:04,609 --> 00:46:02,880
called wasp 39b and that's a gas giant

1350
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that sort of tennis star about 700 light

1351
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years away which is quite a long way

1352
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away and eagle-eyed people or Eagle

1353
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eared people might have noticed that

1354
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that wasp moniker has been used before

1355
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for another planet

1356
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reason that comes up is just because uh

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it stands for wide angle search for

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planets and they're just numbered as

1359
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they find them basically so a lot of

1360
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planets are going to be called wasp

1361
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something something uh so yeah don't

1362
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look too much into that

1363
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doesn't necessarily mean that there are

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signs of life on the planet just means

1365
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that there's a process that produces

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carbon dioxide and that's pretty awesome

1367
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well done awesome well round up thank

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you for joining me for this one I think

1369
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it's a nice way to end as well on the

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fact that we're beginning to explore

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again space and the James Webb is

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opening up all these new discoveries

1373
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it's we're having to take maybe a step

1374
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back to go two steps forward you know

1375
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going back to the Moon is odd giving me

1376
00:46:56,510 --> 00:46:54,480
stepped foot on it what 50 60 years ago

1377
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now and we're back to testing how we can

1378
00:47:00,589 --> 00:46:59,160
get there safely Elon Musk and his

1379
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Rockets are trying to work out how we

1380
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can get there more sustainably Jeff

1381
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Bezos is having fun sending his mates to

1382
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the space and back so you know you never

1383
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know what's going to happen the next

1384
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coming years and does it go hand in hand

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there's no stage of Discovery and

1386
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Exploration with the UFO and UAP topic

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so I've always had that thought and just

1388
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to finish on that when you start sending

1389
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celebrities into space it's much harder

1390
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to keep them quiet and if Kanye West is

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up there filming UFOs out is you know

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out the mirror with his latest iPhone 14

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with astronomy mode then maybe that's

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how we end up with that ultimate

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[Music]

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to the game

1443
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I didn't matter I can't imagine how it

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could have been any better I got to the

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top of stairs like you awake I was about

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[Music]

1447
00:51:03,460 --> 00:51:00,349
consider your space consider your lies

1448
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consider your life consider your eyes

1449
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[Music]

1450
00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:46,790
thank you

1451
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:47,700
very much

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[Music]

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